In Kiev, they have been disheartened by the language coming out of talks between Nato and Russia about Ukraine today.
The head of Nato has warned of the risk of armed conflict in Europe.
The Russian deputy foreign minister has said Moscow was prepared to resort to military means if the politics fail.
Russia wants reassurances Nato will not take on Ukraine as a member.
Nato wants reassurances that the 100,000 Russian troops currently stationed on the eastern border of this country will not invade.
Neither side is budging. But in Kiev, conflict with the giant neighbour to the east doesn’t feel like a hypothetical future threat – but like a daily reality.