As the government attempts to defend its response to the refugee crisis, one man sitting round the cabinet table knows more than many the emotional damage inflicted on children forced to flee their homes.
The education secretary Nadhim Zahawi is an Iraqi Kurd who left his home country when he was just 11, his family fearing for their lives under Saddam Hussein.
He’s been telling school children in Sheffield, among them two Iraqi Kurds, about his past
Earlier today, Cathy Newman joined Mr Zahawi in Sheffield. He’s been telling her about his very personal response to the current crisis. But she began by asking him if he agreed with President Zelenskyy that the bombing of the Mariupol maternity ward was a war crime.