19 Sep 2014

#indyref: Cameron – ‘It’s time for the English to be heard’

David  Cameron in a statement at No. 10 promised to honour the pledges made to the Scottish people at the last moment in the referendum campaign. But he also said the millions in England must now be heard.

He implied Scottish MPs should not vote in Westminster on matters they have devolved to them in Holyrood. Very significantly he included not just health and education in that list but also taxation and welfare.

Prime Minister David Cameron Reacts To The Scottish Referendum DecisionThat opens up all sorts of questions about whether a Labour government dependent for its majority on Scottish MPs has legitimacy.

Labour figures say that would be a brilliant way of firing up the independence campaign again and is not on the agenda. You can see how finding consensus on what follows this vote will be difficult bordering on impossible.

In his first indication of the timing of the second arm of this massive constitutional project, the non-Scottish part, David Cameron said it must happen at the same pace as the Scottish reforms. Given the breakneck timetable announced by Gordon Brown for that, this all looks “challenging” as Alistair Carmichael, the Scottish Secretary, just called it – to say the least.

Great strides

At the exhibition centre Dynamic Earth, right by the Scottish Parliament, I saw more tears as yes supporters listened to Alex Salmond’s concession speech and digested their defeat.

Alex Salmond told them they’d made great strides towards independence and shouldn’t dwell on how they’d fallen short.

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When the polls closed last night, Alex Salmond’s campaign team told him they thought he’d won. The yes number crunching machine had churned out a victory forecast.

One senior strategist said if they’d got the turnout in Glasgow and Dundee up to the levels achieved in No-supporting areas they might have got there.

Earlier, at the main count declaration centre near Edinburgh Airport, yes activists who’d spent the day traipsing through the schemes or estates in Leith said they thought it was largely women who’d pulled back at the last minute.

The yes team thought they’d got close to 40 per cent of Ed Miliband’s vote. In the end it may be they got closer to 30 per cent.

“It may be Gordon that got them back,” a senior yes strategist said. I suspect he strongly agrees.

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7 reader comments

  1. Jon Hawkins says:

    Right about Gordon great to see him back on form and in the public eye.

  2. Philip Edwards says:


    “But he also said the millions in England must now be heard.”

    Coming from a Bullingdon tory that’s more than a bit rich, if you’ll pardon the pun.

    Cameron and the rest of the neocon Westminster gang have had a generation to listen. Instead, they deindustrialised, impoverished most of the country for their own profit, destroyed communities, attacked victims of their policies, ignored antiwar protestors and almost lost the Union.

    And of course it depends what he means by “England.” My bet is he means only that tiny South East corner that steals from everybody else. After all, we have seen over the years what he and his fellow hypocrites have done to everybody else.

    Nobody with his or her head screwed on will trust or believe a word that comes out of London. If they do, they deserve all they get. Which, of course, will be nothing.

  3. John Richards says:

    The English, to be fair, seem to be at the bottom of the queue when sweeties are handed out.
    Cameron et al panicked over one poll, and threw in promises that now have to be honoured.

    1. Tom says:

      I disagree…though the union won this time, the real prize is building a stronger fairer union where all the nation of the UK feel empowered can take responsibility and action, and see that power in their own back yard, not just those near Westminster.

    2. Michael Nicholson says:

      Look into haw different the financial services and betting industry analysed and viewed this, they viewed the yes vote as less than 30% at best. Did Cameron panic? He has been hung up on the West Lothian question in the past. Wait and see if he now asks Milliband to make an agreement not to have Scottish MP’s vote on English matters. I believe to their credit the SNP already do. Democracy is not always what you like, one man (or woman), one vote.

  4. Matthew says:

    It would interesting to know the demographic of those who decided not to vote, and their reasons for not doing so. Apathy for change or cynicism?

  5. michael says:

    Cameron must stand up for the whole Union, He must not promise any Bribes to Any part of the Great Briton that he has not promised to All, My advise to him is Look after the English A bit more. If the Scots feel down trodden What do you think the English Feel like when we can not have a Vote on thing that Concern Nobody But us without the rest of the Union having there unwanted say, Who cares What they Think? ,Whats good enough for One part of the UK is good enough for All..

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