8 May 2012

Major own goal’ in battle for Rangers

“You sound a little bit sceptical,” said C4 News’ Krishnan Guru-Murthy to me last Thursday as I spoke to him live at Ibrox.

Well yes, I predicted then that Bill Miller’s takeover was just the latest wild gesture from the artistes of despair currently known as Rangers FC administrators Duff and Phelps.

After a bizarre day where press conference questions were banned and administrator Paul Clark walked out of my interview because he’d said they’d only done “some” due diligence on Bill Miller. I had expected more than “some” after the previous takeover fiascos at this club – and he realised it too late.

When those desperate to flog the financially-toxic club don’t mention by name any of the key creditors and shareholders, as they did not in their statement, you can feel the deal crashing all around you.

All the while one key shareholder telling me this was going nowhere, that he’d been shut out – that other new deals out of sight would soon shove this nonsense aside.

Then Bill Miller openly abusing Craig Whyte from the US. Hardly tactically astute when Mr Whyte enjoys major shareholder status whatever your plan. Craig Whyte knew it, saw it, read it, failed to see the funny side dontcha know?

 

To cap it all a Glasgow tabloid then deciding the really smart thing is to start raking up the muck over Bill Miller’s marital situation, divorce and remarriage  – would you want to come to Glasgow and spend millions? This – ladies and gentlemen – is just not how they do things among the country club set in Tennessee, nor Florida where Mr Miller has retired. Own goal – major own goal.

We don’t know how genuine the fans’ animosity was and I’ve yet to talk to Mr Miller but he at least says it was a major factor as well. And since so many RFC fans want demotion several divisions – though for various reasons – not the Miller Shiny Happy Rangers People, who can blame the guy?

Then there’s the taxman, for whom all this Newco/Oldco shenanigans will go down like a cup of proverbial. They were never brought in, never fully consulted and resented what appeared to be the administrators briefing anybody daft enough tio listen, that they had been consulted. I mean, why brief the media that the taxman had been a part of this then make no mention of the taxman in your public statement. Omnishambolic.

Neil Doncaster, the Scottish Premier League boss, has just been on to reassure me that it makes no difference to their 30 May meeting – postponed from yesterday – to deal with penalties for clubs who can’t manage their cash. He seemed pretty relieved frankly – at least one storm that it was all about shoehorning Bill Miller’s new Rangers back into Premier League football can blow itself out.

There’ll be plenty more, as he’d be first to acknowledge.

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48 reader comments

  1. Stephen says:

    The sentiments from the Rangers support in response to Bill Miller’s takeover of the club seem indicative of the types of casual racism that is par for the course North of the border.

    ‘Yank go Home!’ , ‘Yanks, No thanks!’ etc etc

    I’m sure the comments being made from some of the Rangers supporters on your own blog have not gone un noticed by yourself. It would be interesting to hear your take on this. Here in Scotland, we have been used to anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiments for quite some time and Rangers FC (IA) have served as the rallying point for these types of views. Indeed, most of the people who espouse these views seem unable to comprehend their offensiveness.

    I don’t know if journalists are in the habit of taking requests… but if you do; I’d love to hear your thoughts on the views of the Rangers support, and how you rationalise their behaviour as an outsider to our poisonous little country.

    1. CW says:

      Hold on a wee minute. Most people in Scotland aren’t Rangers fans, never mind Old Firm fans or even football fans. Most of us just go about our lives peacefully, not poisonously. The English Premier League is hardly a paragon of moral virtue either – it might not have the amateur historical obsessives shouting at each other from the stands – but it does reflect some of the more ridiculous aspects of global economics and celebrity culture. And there is certainly racism there, just of a different variety. The Old Firm are not Scotland – most of us are just embarrassed by you both.

    2. Carntyne says:

      Alex, having lived in Belfast, will be well aware of the views of the Rangers support.

      And I venture Norn Iron is even more poisonous than Scotland, hard as that is to imagine.

    3. Seanio says:

      Do you honestly believe he walked away because a newspaper had a couple of pics of his latest wife, or that there were a couple of protest banners which hardly equated to the LA Riots?

    4. Marty says:

      “The types of casual racism that is par for the course North of the border”, Stephen? Well, we’ve seen similar banners in England e.g. Liverpool fans’ “Thanks But No Yanks” sloagans, etc. So spare us the “big bad Rangers fans” or “big bad Scots” routines. I doubr if a couple of little banners or the like played any real part in Miller’s decision to withdraw. And if he couldn’t handle a bit of tabloid attention he really didn’t know the place he was planning to invest his money. However, in the end, I’m sure the motivation for Miller’s withdrawal was financial. The bid was going to need a bigger financial commitment than he was prepared to make.

    5. Deansy says:

      Perhaps your post might have made more acceptable if you stated “Here in all-things OLD FIRM, we have been used to anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiments for quite some time and Rangers FC (IA) have served as the rallying point for these types of views.” ?. As a NON-OF supporter who is delighted that OUR views are now being heard, at last the outside world will discover that the OF do NOT represent Scotland, they do, however shame Scotland with their obsession re Religion and battles/history of another country – Ireland. Think you’ll find Mr.Thomsons interest in this situation has been brought about by an outsider’s amazement at the behaviour of the poisonous OF.

      1. p says:

        scotland the only country on earth you can run onto a football park, attack the manager in front of thousands of fans hundreds of police and tv camera’s and still only get breach of the peace.

        old firm problem indeed….

    6. Paisley Saint Doug says:

      Stephen, your own comment about casual racism being par for the course North of the border could be construed as racist… is everyone in Scotland racist because of how some Old Firm fans (in decent numbers) conduct themselves?

      Surely Miller’s statement deflects all the blame for his takeover not going through on to Duff & Phelps and the Rangers fans while he basically walks away from shelling out the £11.2m he had agreed to pay to ‘rescue’ RFC. No need for Miller to be subject to any scrutiny over why someone who isn’t a football fan, doesn’t have any strong connections with Scotland, Glasgow or Rangers would invest £11.2m of his own wealth into a football club with debts estimated at £134m or explain what his plan to take the club forward were.

      I am no business expert but can’t see what he attraction in buying Rangers was for Miller or how we would hope to get his money back after he had cleaned them up or how he would even overcome the various hurdles which were always going to mean cleaning up RFC’s toxic debts would not be straightforward.

      I can’t see why anyone would want to buy RFC without knowing the result of the Big Tax Case, or the result of the SFA investigation into double contracts or whether the SPL will let them play in the SPL next season… or if a CVA can be reached with creditors.

      I think we have heard enough about the Rangers support and Celtic supporters response to the Rangers crisis already… I’d love a report on how the wee teams are facing the prospect of being bullied by the Old Firm again… sanctions from rangers if they vote for them to actually be punished for the list of ways they’ve cheated for years, sanctions from celtic supporters groups if they vote to let Rangers off, threats from their own fans of boycotting home games or unsubscribing as season ticket holders if their chairmen vote RFC back into the SPL and the fans buy outs of Motherwell and St Mirren which are both close to having enough financial backing to put the deals through are now facing the prospect of fans withdrawing their direct debit mandates until they see how their clubs will vote.

      1. Dommurray1 says:

        Celtic can not survive in the SPL without rangers and the SPL cannot survive with out iether of them. So as the saying goes turkeys dont vote for Christmas, just ask the Kilmarnock chairman. A prosperous SPL needs a rangers and a strong Celtic t.a.l

    7. Stan Free says:

      Ahem, “Here in Scotland, we have been used to anti-Irish and anti-Catholic sentiments for quite some time”
      You surely mean “THERE, in YOUR CORNER OF THE WEST OF SCOTLAND” ……..
      In the vast majority of Scotland, the whole religion thing is not an issue to us, and it’s another reason why both cheeks of the old firm arse are seen as an embarrassment to the rest of us.

    8. A. Kenny says:

      Perhaps your eagerness to turn the issue towards your own football/sectarian agenda is an indicator of what sort of people cause the real problems in the country, Stephen. As a 31-year old Catholic who’s lived his whole life in and around Glasgow I’ve never suffered from any overt sectarianism beyond a bit of name calling between primary schools. Casual racism towards people of different colour is far more of a problem, but you can keep your head buried in the sand if you like.

      Rather than focus on what was listed as the 3rd of Miller’s issues, and one that was given least attention by his man, Pritchard, I think it would have been far more useful to find out what exactly the financial issues affecting the bid were in terms of the legacy of the club’s commercial deals. There’s surely something more substantial there to be commented on that would be equally crucial to any subsequent bids for the club. As well as Rangers there are aso surely implications for other SPL clubs and their models, and it’s about time someone brought all this out in the open so that we can establish how viable our league is beyond the usual guesswork and simplistic overviews.

    9. Malkatraz says:

      “The sentiments from the Rangers support in response to Bill Miller’s takeover of the club seem indicative of the types of casual racism that is par for the course North of the border.

      ‘Yank go Home!’ , ‘Yanks, No thanks!’ etc etc”

      That kind of xenophobia is not limited to Rangers fans, unfortunately. I seem to recall similar anti-American sentiments from those protesting against the Glazer’s ownership of Manchester United and Statler & Waldorf when they had their mitts on Liverpool.

      I think you’re perhaps a little too keen to stereotype Rangers fans as being of a particular mindset. Play the ball, etc.

  2. john says:

    from bill millers p.a. ……. He received many, many hundreds of abusive e mails warning him not to go near the club. E mails full of ugly language that disgusted him to the point that he cannot go on with bid.

  3. True Football Fan says:

    Stephen, how apt that you blame Scotland for Glasgow’s troubles… just because some glory hunter from either side of the OF divide is from Inverness or Aberdeen, does not make this Scotland’s problem!

    If you can point out Scotland’s ‘anti Irish, or indeed ‘anti catholic’ sentiment without mentioning rangers, I’ll take up your argument… but I have a funny feeling you are just another of the petted lip brigade that follow one half or the other of the weegie arse, ready to cry foul on anything you can get your hands on while clearly acting in an equally abhorrent manner ‘because it winds ‘them’ up!’….

    Football in Glasgow should be terminated straight away, the SPORT of football should be given back to the true fans of Scottish football, not two sets of neanderthals stuck in the 17th century!

    1. p says:

      sorry another anti glasgow bigoted comment…. lennon was attacked at tynecastle.. end of.

      1. Bruce says:

        And, IIRC, when some people were arrested last year for setting up one of those moronic ‘kill Neil Lennon’ facebook pages it turned out they were all from Perth.

      2. John Standfree says:

        Aye you get nutters in every support! Mind when a Celtic supporter ran onto the pitch to attack Gordon at Parkhead around 1984? Strachan was one of the Dons team that dominated the league in the 80s when there was a more equatable monetary playing field between ALL the teams. But a nutter didn’t like his team getting beat with monotonous regularity and run on to attack him. If memory serves me correctly, like the Jambo fan, he was found guilty of assault. His fine was paid by a collection from other angelic tims!

  4. Stevebhoy says:

    In addition to Stephen’s points above, I agree. I’d add that certain statements by influential figures encourage that type of nonsense, for example, the Rangers manager’s senseless demand to identify the individuals who had recommended a transfer ban against this club who have got into the habit of failing to pay, er, transfer fees. And this demand came despite the fact that the people concerned were already known to the club!

  5. Jas duffy says:

    Fair comments from the lad Stephen Alex. Even you can’t hide from the facts . Anti catholic anti irishness has existed in this hole of a country for god knows how long and aided and abetted by scots journos it doesn’t look like ever going away. They will boycott the 1st paper who has a pop at them so they will be scared to do so. To sum this country up it’s like communist Russia , you can do anything you want apart from
    Vote but here you can’t do anything except vote . It won’t be long before that right is taken away from the Irish Catholics . We welcome your views on this Alex.

  6. John says:

    When will this joke of a story end? Where do Rangers go from here? One fiasco to another and it is getting really boring. Embarrassment!!! Just get the winding up order and get it dealt with.Mr.Murray what a severe chib you have left that club in. Nobody wants to touch the toxic

  7. Scott says:

    I think it’s important at this stage to say a big thank you to you Alex. A sentiment shared by all my fellow fans of Scottish football able to look at things with a modicum of intelligence.

    You have a breath of fresh air in all of this, compared to the usual standard of ‘reporting’ (really, it is an insult to the word) that we get up here when it comes to the Old Firm. The Chick Young’s and Jim Traynor’s of our media would still be doing their best to hush all this up. Thankfully we have you to provide us with facts and objective analysis. I hope that your efforts will bring a fair and just outcome for us all!

  8. Alan says:

    Well said Stephen. I’m sure Alex is well aware of Rangers FC’s standing as the most potent totem for far right, racist and sectarian sentiment in Scotland, but this investigation is about the sporting and business corruption that is woven into the fabric of that club and it’s apologists in the Scottish football authorities and media.

    Let’s hope Alex or another reporter worthy of the title will take up that baton soon.

  9. Joe says:

    For we are the people.. Youd think their arrogance would shrink a bit. Its their fault their in this situation because of it!

  10. Paddy says:

    Stephen,

    I agree about your “casual racism” comment though I’d like to think it’s more the west side of north of the border.

    I’m not naive enough to suggest for one moment that racism and bigotry are exclusively a west coast issue but it does appear to be more predominant there.

    Mind you it could be simply due to the fact that the two largest clubs in this country are from the west coast and appear to do little to subdue those distasteful attitudes of their fans.

    Either way, I wouldn’t like Scotland to be portrayed as a Racist/Bigoted nation because of a few (sub)human characters that get a great deal of undeserved publicity.

  11. Will J Cisco says:

    Terribly sorry Stephen to hear about your experiences, but as someone who recently moved north to your country from England, I enjoy living in Scotland, which I have never found “poisonous”, or indeed experienced the “casual racism” you describe. I have found people of all faiths and creeds to be friendly. As for the “Yanks” issue, you may even have seen it also in England at Manchester United and more recently, Liverpool. Or the attacks against the Indian owners of Blackburn. My wife is also from overseas, and she loves Scotland. Finally, Alex Thomson has done a great job and played a straight bat on the RFC administration story, including the great Celtic v Rangers rivalry. A credit to his craft and i think he has really shown up the somewhat patchy quality of coverage from those journalists based north of the border.

  12. Frank says:

    Seems to me this suits SPL Board to a T(ennesee). That’s one debate gone! Why would anyone invest in such a toxic state of affairs FC

  13. coco bryce says:

    Stephen, the ‘yanks go home’ sentiments are hardly confined to scotland or rangers. Case in point the manner in which Liverpool drove their former owners out and the treatment of the Glaziers at Man Utd.

    regardless this column helps sum up just why its jelly and ice cream all round in scotland.

  14. Drew R. says:

    Scotland isn’t poisonous, Glasgow is. Get it straight.

    1. p says:

      which is bigoted in itself….. was a jambo that attacked lennon on the park mind….. heart are from which city again?!?

  15. Stevie says:

    Alex, by shining a light into Scotland’s dark, sinister corner you have disturbed a real rotten nest that up to now has remained hidden to most outsiders. Many genuine football people in the country will admit that the game has been run for the benefit of Rangers for decades and a culture of political, media and football authority sychophancy, spin and cover up has festered around this. Even now when their club could be about to slip into history these same elements remain in denial about those who really put Rangers in this position.
    As someone else said this ongoing culture of superiority, bigotry and arrogance prevents many of us having any sympathy whatsoever for Rangers plight. I wave for no flag either for Miller but who in their right mind would send xenophobic insults and abuse to the one possible lifeline and outlet that could possibly have saved Rangers? It is indeed symptomatic of the racist, bigoted and Little Englander mentality and culture that is widespread in the Ibrox stands and Scottish media.
    One only has to look across the city to Neil Lennon to see how shamefully an intolerant country can collectively and manifestly hate one man so much for daring to be being Irish, Catholic and Celtic manager. Indeed dig a bit deeper and see how this same sectarianism in Scotland stoked up by Rangers fans and the Scottish media drove out the former Celtic players Aiden McGeady and Artur Boruc and left it’s mark on Martin O’Neill and his family. Current Irish Celtic players Pat McCourt and Niall McGinn have also received bullets and death threats; Scotland has indeed got a very sick problem and the sad part is that it doesn’t even recognise it as wrong. Institutionalised anti-Catholic, anti-Irish and anti-Celtic bigotry and sectarianism are so ingrained in all facets of the country that they are seen as acceptable and normal.
    This current Rangers farce is just the tip of a very big iceberg Alex. You have exposed and shamed the cosy, insular world of the Scottish Establishment, their sporting club Rangers and their apologists in the Scottish media. It’s no wonder they have circled the wagons and are now trying to discredit and ridicule you and rubbish your excellent work. Don’t let them get to you, the good guy usually wins out in the end.

  16. John Reid says:

    The thing I can’t get my head around is Why did the court of session allow D&P to be appointed administrators, when HMRC were against it? In all their correspondence to the MSM they have contradicted themselves over and over and appear to be working toward liquidation with no thought or regard as to how much the creditors (Who they are supposed to be working for) will receive? Surely selling the major assets, ibrox, Mp, ACP, would raise more than the reported 11mill from BM? As a lifelong Celtic fan I have been laughing all the way, but it has now become to nonsensicle even for us?? D&P to blame in my humble opinion

    1. Bruce says:

      IIRC, HMRC stepped back at the last minute to let D&P run Rangers (IA). OK?

  17. Iain says:

    Jim Ballantyne (Airdrie Chairman) was alledgedly in the Directors box in Belfast last night for Rangers v Linfield wearing a Rangers Fighting Fund badge.

    He is president of SFL and serves on board of SFA whom will try and save his ‘beloved club’. Surely his impartiality must now be questioned???

    He was in the same position when Livingston entered administration and liquidation and he demanded they got dropped into Div 3 which happened.

    Will he do the same to Rangers??

    ps. As a side note it was Rangers & David Murray that ensured the death of Airdrie when refusing a CVA, irony……

    1. Marty says:

      Peter Lawwell of Celtic also “serves on board of SFA”.

      And Rangers FC had no say in a CVA for Airdrie.

  18. John Standfree says:

    @Stephen, don’t confuse people. For “Scotland” read “Glasgow”, for “country” read “city”, for “Rangers supporters” read “Old Firm Supporters”. Celtic are not far behind Rangers in the bigoted sectarian stakes, as shown by the sizeable “minority” support of the RA brigades, and the majority support for the support of Eira rather than their own country they were born in and live in: Scotland. We who live, love and support our country resent the old firm bigots causing innacurate headlines such as “Scotland’s shame”

    @tomo well done Sir

    1. Bruce says:

      ‘the majority support for the support of Eira rather than their own country they were born in and live in: Scotland.’

      Besides the obvious fact that your statement is nonsense, does the above make someone a bigot? Seriously?

      1. John Standfree says:

        Bruce,

        Why nonsense? I can’t remember seeing any Saltire’s or Lion Rampant flags amongst the sea of Tricolurs of Eira whenever I have seen Celtic fans. No Scottish songs sung, plenty about the Emerald Isle. I’ve heard them sing sectarian songs and boo “Flower of Scotland”

        definition of Bigot
        “n.
        One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.”

      2. Bruce says:

        Did you just make up that definition? Because its ridiculous. The second half of it, yes, obviously, is correct. Intolerance would make you a bigot. But the first half, being strongly partial to your own group? Are you kidding? Singing songs about Ireland does not make anyone a bigot. Thinking that is intolerant and, by your own definition, bigoted. Sectarian songs? The courts would appear to disagree.

        Sea of tricolours? You need your eyes tested.

  19. Jason says:

    We’ve known for a while now that there are issues around debt, CVA, Newco etc but i’m a little bit curious around how the club is currently running whilst in admin. So for example:

    Q. We keep hearing that they are “running out of time” but we’ve been hearing this for a while now. Exactly how long are they funded for? A simple set of accounts would surely tell us this?

    Q. Will the SPL pay out the prize money for 2nd spot or withold it in view of outstanding liabilities to other SPL clubs? If the SPL do pay out, does this extend the “running out of time” period?

    Q. Are D&P currently taking fees from the club or are they simply adding to the large debt? I would be surprised if they are simply another creditor but why should they be paid if no-one else is?

    Given the farcical press conferences they’ve given so far i doubt any answers would be forthcoming. This general concept of “running out of time” with no fixed date seems to generate a false impression that they can simply continue on.

    They appear to be out of their depth for this type of situation which is why they’ve adopted the “say as little as we can get away with” policy.

  20. Paul N says:

    I see the laptop Loyal have turned this into a victory for the ‘Gers. Three new bidders, dontcha know!
    Magically appearing from thin air to appease the hordes.
    Alex, you get a lot of stick from the Rangers fans , but they would do well to listen, as you seem to be the only one asking the pertinent questions.
    They need to ask themselves , do they want the truth or sugar coated moonbeams.
    Pardon the clichés. The truth might hurt but it might also set them free !

  21. john d says:

    aye stephen, the sad thing is that as tims, we sort of got so used to the casual and certainly institutional anti irish/ catholic/ celtic attitude that in many cases we just accepted it.

    whilst many might call this a romantic notion, i do see our club, celtic fc, as always being that point at which we all, my da, granda (off the boat from dungannon)at least found some sense of our own identity, of our own worth set against the discrimination we found in Glasgow and beyond.

    further, that Celtic’s only quite recent ‘bolshiness’- did it start with ‘the bunnet’ – and refusal to take the crap from any quarter, has both galvanised the support and also the bitter attacks on all things ‘tim’.

    anyhow,the light of scrutiny, from alex t and others,has finally exposed the murky dark world of RFC and the schemers and planners that have upheld this dreadful institution for what it is – sectarian and illegal and utterly without any sense of morality.

    goodbye and good riddance, the club and their support will not be missed.
    Yes, they will return in some form, but the way in which they became bloated with their own self importance and immune to the normal laws of fair play and the laws of the land is now closed to them… our ‘paranoia’ was, in the end, more true than we could ever have believed.

    Hubris anyone?

  22. Mike Kelly says:

    The panto season begins early—the Rangers fans bombard the yank with bile and in so doing give him a flavour of how they behave.McCoist and team play the orange card and fly into Ulster to rake in some cash from the brethern over there.
    The morality of all of this appears to escape the Spl and the member clubs, it’s time to deal with this corrupt outfit and banish them to the 3rd division, then we will see who ” doesn’t do walking away” .
    Ps— nearly forgot the taxman — he’s behind you.

  23. aiden says:

    can anyone tell me why HMRC have not set a definite date to deliberate on how much rangers owe and on any irregularities they have been found guilty of? every tax-payer has a right to know.

  24. Tony Hendrix says:

    Stephen,our day will come.

  25. JJ says:

    Jason – here are the basic answers to your questions (or my understanding of the situation anyway)

    Q. We keep hearing that they are “running out of time” but we’ve been hearing this for a while now. Exactly how long are they funded for? A simple set of accounts would surely tell us this?

    A. “Running out of time” refers to the reduced wage deal the administrators secured with the players. The wages go back up in June creating a £1M per month shortfall.

    Q. Will the SPL pay out the prize money for 2nd spot or withold it in view of outstanding liabilities to other SPL clubs? If the SPL do pay out, does this extend the “running out of time” period?

    A. The SPL have already said they will pay the SPL clubs who are owed unpaid gate receipts by Rangers from the SPL prize money, paying Rangers whatever is left from this. I’m pretty sure this move doesn’t cover money owed for player purchases (the money they owe Hearts).

    Q. Are D&P currently taking fees from the club or are they simply adding to the large debt? I would be surprised if they are simply another creditor but why should they be paid if no-one else is?

    A. D&P are being paid £6000 per day, and I think it’s safe to assume that in their line of business they take their payments first, not as a creditor.

    Hope this clears a few things up for you. Apologies if any of my info is incorrect (most of it did come from the Scottish media!).

  26. old codger says:

    The hatred on this blog site is tangible, schadefreude in the extreme.

  27. John Standfree says:

    A Celtic supporter ran onto the pitch to attack Gordon at Parkhead around 1984? Strachan was one of the Dons team that dominated the league in the 80s when there was a more equatable monetary playing field between ALL the teams. But a nutter didn’t like his team getting beat with monotonous regularity and run on to attack him. If memory serves me correctly, like the Jambo fan, he was found guilty of assault. His fine was paid by a collection from other angelic tims! Not saying that the Celtic fan attacked Strachan because Strachan didn’t have Celtic DNA, don’t think so at all, but no proof that Lennon wasn’t attacked for also being a wee Ginger heided annoying person like Strachan good at his job.

  28. John Standfree says:

    Bruce take aff yer green specs. You know that your brethren sign songs glorifying terrorism, and fly the flag of a foreign country. I wish you lot would feck off back to the emerald isle and your fellow bigot bros would do likewise to ulster or England, and leave us who love Scotland to live a life without the west coast sectarian bile.

    Oxford English Dictionary. Google images Celtic fans.

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