The Event: How Racist Are You?

Who are you calling a racist?

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Dominic Abrams

Monday 26 October 2009

Dominic Abrams

Professor of Psychology Dominic Abrams uncovers why we in the UK find it hard to label someone's behaviour 'racist', unless it is very obvious.

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Jane Elliot arrived in the UK determined to show that prejudice exists, and that racism is embedded in our society without many of us realising it.

Since the 1960s Jane Elliot has been running ‘demonstrations’ in schools and latterly with adult groups for organisations and communities. These exercises aim to show that, by dint of being categorised based on some personal characteristic such as skin colour, appearance or even (in the demonstrations) eye colour, people can become the victims of serious discrimination, and that this can easily become ‘institutionalised’.

The process of institutionalising prejudice proceeds through a number of steps with both sides taking on or perpetuating a range of characteristics, attitudes and behaviours. These include:

Categorisation - Shared characteristics that make one group different from another

Power - A sense of certainty and belief that one is right

Self-fulfilling prophecies - Behaving in a way that confirms the negative attributes used to categorise

Stereotype threat - When members of lower status category perform badly because they believe they might be compared with a higher status category, or that they might confirm a negative stereotype about their group

Justifying inequality - Seizing and maintaining an advantage over a less powerful group and downplaying its unfairness.

Categorisation

First, and fundamentally, when people are assigned to categories, particularly categories that they cannot deny belonging to, they begin to think of themselves in terms of their shared characteristics with others in the same category. They also begin to focus on the characteristics that make their own different from the other category and the categories immediately take hold in the way people view themselves and how they view others.

Power

Recent psychological research shows that believing one has power can have direct psychological effects on the way one thinks and acts. Power gives a sense of certainty and powerful people are likely to believe that they are in the right. People with lower power are more cautious, circumspect and less likely to assert their views.

Self-fulfilling prophecies and stereotype threat

Once categories and negative characteristics are assigned to a lower power group, psychologically, the lower power groups begin to behave in ways that confirm the negative stereotypes used to describe them.

As this conflict begins to develop, the powerful group begins to feel responsible for controlling and improving the behaviour of the Blue Eyes. Once these low expectations are established it doesn’t take long for the group in power to act as though it is no longer worth giving the others difficult or important things to do as they cannot even manage the basics. The more this develops the harder it is for the low power group to challenge the situation.

Justifying Inequality

For the most part, people who receive an advantage are likely to take it, and often they will believe they deserve it. Differences in power and opportunity become perpetuated because powerful groups do not like to level the playing field, and will do a lot to justify their advantage. Not only do powerful groups like to keep things as they are, but members of powerless groups often go along with that too.

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  1. First of all let me commend Channel 4 for daring to show a programme which attempts to address a deeply divisive yet VERY prevalent issue in British society (it's certainly more than the BBC will ever do with the licence fee that I pay, but that's indicative of the very issue we're talking about here!) With respect, it's funny reading some of the comments here that clearly demonstrate the 'subtleties'of racism in the UK and tendency of the majority to defend the system, albeit under the misguided values that they themselves may hold pertaining to equality, fairness and respect for all peoples and all ethnicities. I am not a psychologist or a politician, I was a lawyer, now a historian and a teacher. The first thing you are taught in history is that "history is recorded by the victors" and that one must always question the source of an established fact, ideology, opinion, mantra, whatever, as there will always be another side which is overshadowed by that which supercedes it. Secondly, regardless of their background/ethnicity, the one thing (AND THIS IS CRUCIAL TO UNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF THE EXPERIMENT AND ERGO ITS METHODS IN MICROCOSM) which the blue-eyed group (and the white members of the brown-eyed group) failed to understand was the concept of POWER! REPEAT: POWER! People have responded saying "Blacks/Asians can be just as racist as whites", and "her methods reflect attitudes from the 1960s", "who gets served in a shop after a white family etc" blah blah - HELLO! Reiterating the same arguments they did in the programme. I will attempt to break down a couple of things for those that did not see. 1.) The reason Ms Elliott's methods were deliberately harsh, punitive and engendered segregation-like conditions was to emphasise the concept of POWER. Power that the MAJORITY exercises or BENEFITS from the exercising of and which directly or indirectly discriminates against a minority. This power must have ramifications for the minority in ALL aspects of life: Health, education, jobs, finance, housing, opportunity and social mobility. This is why the brown-eyes are placed in a position of POWER over the blue-eyes to demonstrate the status quo of inequality, which is then self-affirmed by the minority blue-eyes in attempting to resist the system and speak up for the discrimination of others (regardless of their views or ethnicities). For the commentors that have said these things do not happen in 2009 Britain I will refer to the Question Time BNP charade some weeks back on Youtube - and view the comments of the majority about race/ethnicity to see how much racism exists in Britain. If the vast majority believe in a fair and equal society, yet hold such ignorant views (those of their parents and grandparents) through lack of knowledge or through the sheer fact that they do not EXPERIENCE prejudice shown to others, and since laws have been passed outlawing OVERT racism, they mistakenly believe that society is now automatically fair and as such minorities live the same experience as they do. It is NOT. FACT. You don't need statistics. It is naive to believe otherwise and indeed adds to the problem continuing. 2.) While I am by no means stating that racism does not act in reverse from other ethinicities towards whites and across cultures i.e. Blacks - Asians, looking at it from a social and historical perspective it is very easy to find out a couple root causes: the fallacy of the superiority of lighter skinned peoples over darker ones, which stems from the original Aryans - the Indo-Europeans who migrated from Central Asia into India/Europe/Middle East and invented the caste system in the first place. Also the issue of resources. In an unequal society, the pressure for resources is felt the most by those with the least access - undoubtedly these fall onto the minority groups who will even go as far as resorting to discrimintion against each other in areas where they are both minorities. Wow I've ran out of space!
    Posted by Jay Historian on 09/11/2009 00:41:33
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  2. Comment from SOPHIE DAVIES on 30 October 2009 at 13:23: I am a white, female psychology student... People may argue that black people get worse, more hurtful comment, I disagree with this. This comment (from a psychology student no less), sums the whole farsical situation up. People, we have a long way to go toward understanding each other ...
    Posted by Paul Jones on 06/11/2009 07:14:37
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  3. I am white, middle class and was born and brought up in an area of the South of England where you hardly saw a person with a different colour skin. In fact, I hardly knew a black person until I was at university. I am aware that, in this country, my background has given me privilege and power and I take this for granted. I have had an easy ride and can not begin to imagine what it must be like if you were not born with the same advantages as me. I abhor discrimination and will speak out against it; in my job I actively work to promote equality. In all these ways I expect that I have a lot in common with the female teacher in this programme. But there is one vital difference. She denied that she had anything to learn from Jane Elliot " because she's not racist" - whilst simultaneously proving the opposite with her crass references to 'coloured' and 'half-caste' pupils who were surprisingly pink under the surface; and by dismissing the experiences of the mixed race father who was reluctant to pick his child up from school as something he should somehow 'get over'. Because she had 'nothing to learn' she tutted and rolled her eyes through the whole exercise, convinced by her own rightness and, therefore, her superiority. She didn't need to try to put herself in the shoes of the people who were putting forward their accounts of being black in a white society - because she had 'nothing to learn'. I that, because of who I am and where I was born, I carry with me a whole host of prejudices about a whole host of people. Because I am white and middle class, I may well be part of the system which oppresses. That doesn't mean I'm about to join the BNP; I wouldn't dream of serving a black person after a white person or not giving someone a job on the grounds of their colour - but I have the power to do all of those things because I am part of the ruling group in our society. It took seeing Jane Elliot speak a few years ago to truly make me realise this. It's not about making white people feel guilty for the sins of our predecessors, or making white people out as the bad guys, but it is about getting out of your comfort zone, digging deep and truly being honest with yourself. Whatever people might say, the UK is still a white person's country. The money and power resides with white people. It's a fact! And with money and power come the potential for exploitation and oppression. So - a message to my fellow white people. Stop being in denial and taking refuge in lazy phrases such as 'political correctness gone mad' and prove instead that you are as non-racist as you claim you are by at least trying to look at the world through somebody else's eyes. And as for that stupid and arrogant teacher, will her employers please organise some decent equality training for her - or give her a job where she can't influence our children with her ignorance.
    Posted by MrsDoyle on 04/11/2009 13:41:39
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  4. Michael, the participant who attempted to sabotage it was the only person in that whole exercise who didn't have the potential for racism! She said in the 1-to-1 that she was brought up in a non-white country and suffered racism herself, and from her experiences she actually nearly burst into tears from having to be "racist" towards the minority group in the exercise. Racism in the UK is very different to the US and other countries like South Africa and Australia where this exercise has been carried out. And this exercise carried out in this manner is very outdated for the UK in 2009. You've just got to look at the mainstream media to see this. What if that woman did not have brown-eyes but blue-eyes and was persecuted by the brown-eyed group after the same thing happening to her in her old-country? She might have been severely psychologically affected, and whose fault would that be? Jane Elliotts'? or Channel 4's?
    Posted by Philip on 03/11/2009 17:13:21
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  5. A naive, silly and outdated programme. Unless anyone has been hiding under a very large rock for the past 30 years they will be well aware of "racism" whatever their views about it. To lecture a load of middle class people about being more racist than they think they are is a complete and utter waste of time and energy. Everyone is prejudiced against something or other and prejudice is something that takes many many years to break down and things are changing and will change further in the distant future as people in general become more educated. That old school mistress should have tried them out on homosexuality - then we'd have seen some real prejudice spilling out...
    Posted by Jim carlye on 02/11/2009 16:58:15
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  6. I personally think the programme "How racist are you" was one of the most important programmes on TV for a very long time. I also believe the argument has been well and truly proven, firstly by the participants who attempted to sabotage it and secondly by most of the comments that I have just read below.
    Posted by Michael on 02/11/2009 13:45:01
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  7. I see the point of the exercise, Its about different kinds of minority groups, and about the inequity that harbours in society. It isn't about white people being racist against black people or black peole being racist against white people. Let me remind you that white people can be racist against white people, who just live or are born in differnt countries. Maybe its differnt cultures and religions that are at the forefront prejudical hatred. Or Maybe it is the same cultures, but with different Ideas that are at loggerheads. It isn't the point, what she is dong is showing how the side of society that is treated superior, wittingly or unwittingly, can be manipulated to look down on, treat with disrespect and socially discard, those who are marked out as supiorior. And she used eye colour as a way of marking, she had a green collor fitted to those who she marked out, just like the jews were marked out in more than one case of history, just as black skin is a different maker to white skin. It was about the blue eyed group finding out what it was like to be socailly marked out, to feel what it felt like to be branded inferior. That is all. Now I am not going to tell you if I am black or white. Or whether I am a muslim ,caothic, buddist, sikh, atheist, wiccan, jew or any other faith. I am not going to tell you what class of society I come from. I am not going to tell you about my own experiances of prejudices. Because that is not what is relevent. What is relevent is how people treat each other in the future, this woman is olny trying to educate people to be aware of manipulation and political propegander
    Posted by Marie on 02/11/2009 05:30:24
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  8. I found this program painful and frustrating to watch. I fail to see how this exercise could possibly have been constructive in any way, other than to provide a platform from which minority groups can make innocent parties feel guilty for other peoples ignorance. May have been more constructive if it was done in an all white background as the Blue/Brown eye idea was made almost redundant by people obviously trying to defend themselves from unpleasant accusations. It may be naive of me to say that I don't think racism is rife in the UK other than in minority extreme groups, however I think it is too easy to take mistakes as racism. Its a shame really that this program ended on such an embarrassing note from the Host. Krishnan proved to me how pathetic the host was by her childish "Don't care" comment. Really pathetic in my opinion. Its also my firm belief that if anyone is put in a situation where they are stereotyped as something they don't believe they are then they are going to defend themselves, and to say that a white person can never know what its like to walk in a black persons shoes si possibly one of the most annoying comments I've ever heard. Correct though it may be its too easy to say and really ruins any hopes of a constructive argument.
    Posted by J Hols on 01/11/2009 20:24:24
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  9. I am white and didn't get the impression she was saying that white people and no one else are racist but rather that she was showing how powerful it can be. As she said at the end it is not about feeling guilty but about being aware of what is being experienced by other Britains. Racism is not just about name calling and it shouldn't have to be accepted as being part of life or gotten over. It needs to be named and challenged and that is what this programme was admirably trying to do.
    Posted by Sarah on 30/10/2009 23:36:09
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  10. The whole premise of this experiment is based on 1960s America when Black Americans were fighting for equality. Things have moved on. I am white and was born in South London in 1967. I grew up with, went to school with and have worked most of my life with people who are not white. Things have changed during the course of my life time - in this country at least. My best friend at primary school had a white mother and a black Jamaican father - they moved down to London from Birmingham as mixed marriages were more acceptable 'down here' so maybe I am seeing things from a more enlightened view point - maybe racism is more prevalent in areas of the country that are 'more white'. I was quite appalled at the ignorance of some of the people in the blue eyed group - being fat and not being able to buy a shirt in your size does NOT equate to being abused due to your colour. And I was horrified that a teacher should be shocked that a non-white child should have pink flesh underneath the coloured skin when they graze themselves - does she think our flesh changes colour when we get a sun tan? The point that needs to be made to white people now, I think, is that whites taunt from a position of percieved superiority. It is not just a question of saying "you're black" it is saying "you're black so you aren't as good as me". My ex-husband was (and probably still is!) Chinese and he was the most racist person I knew but he pointed out that whites insulting or abusing non-whites is a superiorty thing - from both sides (the whites feel they are superior and the non-whites feel that they are inferior). I believe that most white people would not be intentionally racist - for the simple reason that most people don't want to abuse/upset other people but I do think that white people need to understand why certain things are upsetting to non-whites. Look at the P*** furore on Strictly Come Dancing - a large number of white people couldn't (or wouldn't) accept that that word has very nasty connotations for Southern Asian people. Get a life/where's your sense of humour/I don't mind being called a Brit were the sorts of silly comments that were made to justify that. Having said all that I thought that the black woman on the programme that said that black people get ignored in shop queues in favour of white people was clearly living on another planet. When has that happened? I've not seen it - I've had trouble attracting the shop assistant's attention because she's too busy chatting to her mate but I've never seen anyone in a queue passed over for someone behind. The big problem with the experiment was that there was no education going on and it didn't reflect real life. The blues felt picked upon and didn't like being bullied. The browns either felt uncomfortable doing the bullying or if they weren't white felt some sort of 'yeah let's see how you like it' - which I have to say doesn't show them in a good light. If anything it justifies racism - it's basically saying if you are in a position to abuse soemeone then do it. I was brought up to treat others with basic politeness no matter how much I despised them or what they had done to me. The other way that it didn't reflect real life was that if the browns didn't think the behaviour was right they were evicted. In real life people stand up for others - I have done so myself both at school and in the work place. I abhor bullies of any type. Jane Elliot just said that the whites weren't comfortable abusing other whites and that that proved they were racist!!!! Twaddle. There have always been white people that have campaigned/stood up for black people often in times when it was far harder to do so than it is now. We need to work towards a time when white people understand how offensive/upsetting/scary some language is to some non-whites and non-whites need to understand that ignorance is not necessarily racist and that most white people do not come at them from a position of hate.
    Posted by Tracie Webb on 30/10/2009 20:17:40
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  11. This programme was 40 mins long despite the 'volunteers' talking for over ten hours. We saw only what they wanted us to see. It also assumed guilt based on a politically expedient and chameleon-like idea of racism. Meaning NOTHING the 'blue-eyes' could have said or done would have proved their innocence in this woman's (and our country's) conveniently ill-defined notion on the subject. Here is the actual definition of racism: An aggression towards another race engendered by the belief in the superiority of your own. Put simply it is a LEARNED response. That is why it is called ignorance, ie it is based on (mis)information and not nature. It is learned either directly, such as the indoctrination of the Hitler Youth or through various religious books, or indirectly such as Empire building (constant victory) or travelling to 18thC Africa or the New World and equating those 'primitive' societies with an inferior human. (Racism would include slavery.) In the UK today however ,racism does not exist under it's true definition. What we have, to use a metaphor, are different tribes around a watering hole. When the well was full we all lived in (relative) peace with enough water for all. But now the well has almost run dry. And each tribe is preparing to fight for what little there is. Shouting, "We own the well!" or "We were here first!" And fight NOT because we are different, but because we are all the same. And as such all need the same things: our sovereign territories, cultures, and identities. It's the most natural thing in the world and it's called Balkanisation. From Kosovo, Rawanda and Zimbabwe, to the Middle East, the Pakistan/India/Afghan border, warring Chinese provencies, the (dis)United States, the failed South African experiment, and even England, Scotland and Wales, we see the real reason for pretty much ALL so called racism. The ownership and control, by men of EVERY race, religion, creed and culture, of both territory and, quite often, women. And we have changed our homogenity for the racial, cultural and ethnic division seen in those multiracial societies (and others) mentioned above. And like those societies we will enter civil war. Because we have created the same divided environment. And because all men around the world are the same. And because we have run out of water.
    Posted by Origin8 on 30/10/2009 19:23:45
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  12. I would say that having watched the programme(THE EVENT:HOW RACIST ARE YOU?), I was completely and utterly disgusted with the fact that a Teacher in this country, and day and age, didn't have the standard level of education to provide her with the knowledge that a child with mixed race heritage would have pink coloured flesh underneath her BROWN skin! This leads me to wonder how on earth she qualified for her post as 'Teacher' in the first place. I am of mixed race heritage myself and completely empathise with the mixed race gentleman's experience of 'playing the game', a man who contrary to popular belief, doesn't walk around with 'a chip on his shoulder'! I also found it disapointing that certain members of the group couldn't get to grips with the simple concept of the experiment, sabotaging the whole event, promoting their inherent ignorance in the process. Jane Elliot, you are a legend!
    Posted by vicki on 30/10/2009 19:15:00
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  13. The experiment wasn't intended to be a white v black thing. It was to show how stupid discrimination on ANY physical attribute was stupid. The participants just placed a white v black context on it because that is what they are familiar with.
    Posted by Frustrated and Annoyed on 30/10/2009 19:10:48
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  14. i watched the prog. and was amazed at how racist the black woman was. i personally think that races are breed to see certain skin types as a threat and as such are hostile towards them both unconsiously and conciously. in a uk that the white's are becoming the minority the certain areas of the country, why is it always assumed, that when a white person raises concerns they are being racist. not all people of any skin type or mix or racists and many are very racist against themselves and other members of their own communities than the white's would dare to in this politically correct society in which we are forced to live in.
    Posted by carol derry on 30/10/2009 16:44:36
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  15. i have just watched this programme and beleave that the message across if tht it is mainley white people that are racist but it is not this will have outraged a lot of white people i am white my self and have incountered a lot of racism for being white in areas such as birmingham but i got over i thought who cares what people think if im white or not the point is white people dont care what you cale them word such as wigga white boy racist. if other races were not so effected by name calling we would not have to have programmes like this racism only exsists if you let it get to you im not saying white people are not racist because i no that there are whites out there who do say racial remarks. also baa baa black sheep banned as it might be classed as racist what about baa baa white sheep ? black boreds banned as it might be classed as racist what about white boreds ? i am a white british male but i am not racist i have had things said to me for being white and for being british but have i said tht other races are racist no its life get on with it
    Posted by steven on 30/10/2009 14:53:29
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  16. Jane Eliot's demonstration was a complete and utter mess. It demonstrated absolutely nothing about racism. The notion, as espoused by the team of observing psychologists and some of the brown-eyed contestants, that the blue-eyed group were failing to perceive, or were in fact in denial of, the reality of racism in Britain is completely unfounded. What they were in fact objecting to was the need for them to be subjected to such an intellectually condescending "experiment" that implied that they had no basic comprehension of racism or discrimination.
    Posted by Patrick White on 30/10/2009 14:36:50
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  17. I watched the experiment last night and found it very thought provoking. As a working class woman, i have experience prejudice throughout my life mixing in a world dominated by the middle classes, through Education, socially and at work. I think that makes me able to empathise (to a certain degree) with the way Asian and Black people feel oppressed in British Society. I was disapointed, but It came as no surprise to me that the people that felt aggrieved about participating in the experiment where some of the white middle class participants, many of whom will have never experienced real prejudice. Their refusal to participate was, in my view, a reflection of their inherent ignorance that their values are superior and that they have no part to play the failure's of the system, even though it has been created by, and benefit's them. I think the attack on their society was too strong to cope with that they couldn't, for one day, challenge their way of thinking. How sad.
    Posted by Martine on 30/10/2009 14:11:18
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  18. I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop, certain I had underestimated Elliot. It hasn't happened yet. The really interesting points in this programme - how most of the brown-eyed group went along with the regime and how some of them displayed hostility to members of their own group who highlighted injustice; how the pundits seemed more interested in fitting what they saw to their preconceptions of the experiment than to any new observations; and how the discussions kept drifting away (Elliot in some cases leading the drift) from the blue/brown eyes experiment to other areas -went undiscussed. This would have been fascinating if the blue-eyed group had been the control, and this had been an illustration how easy it is for the majority to fall into line with societal prejudice and how, even then, some genuine heroes will stand up for what's right. Instead we got an illustration that no one likes it when someone is unfair to them. I can't believe that any of us didn't know that before this show.
    Posted by Rob on 30/10/2009 13:53:44
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  19. I pity this woman! She is living in the past. She has seen many horrible things involving racism against black/asian people and can't move on. It's almost like she's now ashamed to be white. I am white and i am disgusted that she is theoretically calling me a racist, i will NOT be tarnished with the same brush as those horrible nasty racists that existed AGES ago. Of course there's still racism now. but it's not only white people, racism is everywhere and unfortunetly i don't think there's anything we can do because there are alot of ignorant petty people out there. I've been called a 'swan', 'milky way', 'vanilla' (therefore i'm bland/boring) so i too have been a victim of racist comments. I have black/polish/asian friends. My partner is asian who i love to death, and we have a beautiful baby son together who is my life, how dare she call me a racist!!! I hate how some black/asian people feel like the victim all the time, YOUR NOT THE ONLY VICTIMS OUT THERE!!!! I get really upset with subjects like this, i feel like the whole world is turning against white people, i don't think it's right that i'm being discriminated against because the colour of my skin - for something i didn't do and am completely against! I am not a racist!
    Posted by Lara on 30/10/2009 13:50:00
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  20. I watched this show and this woman is a lunatic. First of all she ejected anybody that was willing to stand up and be a leader against her stupid comments, leaving only those that were vulnerable. Then she tried to bully them into being a bully themselves. The premise was an interesting one, but once it degenerated into arguments about what racism really was and her butting in all the time to treat people like children, the whole show was a big pointless.
    Posted by Tom on 30/10/2009 13:43:20
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  21. I watched this programme, the brutality towards racism makes sense although, I believe this whole event is a racist comment in itself. I live on the outside of Nottinghamshire where the sociality is multiraced. I am a white, female psychology student. I believe this show was a racist influence in itself, as if; white people never recieve racist comments. People may argue that black people get worse, more hurtful comment, I disagree with this. In my entire life, I have NEVER heard nor seen a racist comment towards any black person. If anything, I hear racist comments towards muslims, Indians and Asian cultures. I resent this taboo that all white people are racists and how black people think white people view them, as it is FAR from the truth, Eg. The halfcast gentlemen, not picking up his child from school.
    Posted by Sophie Davies on 30/10/2009 13:23:11
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  22. What a childish, pointless, arbitrary charade! This programme basically tried to insinuate that only white people can be racist, and that for some reason white people should all be made to feel guilty for past generations’ mistakes. I mean, come on! This is completely absurd %u2013 and more importantly - flawed. Only a child would be fooled by this simplistic experiment. 'The woman at the counter ignored me and served the nice white family behind me instead'? I'm sorry but I don't beleve it. This was merely an example of people unnecessarily wallowing in victim status and expecting 'us guilty white people' to pity their terrible plight. Live in the now for goodness sake. As a result this whole show was a waste of time, whcih is a shame. To make matters worse that exploitative (and very annoying) old woman is making a mint out of this pointless debacle!
    Posted by Carl Mason on 30/10/2009 12:44:53
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  23. having watched the show last night I very much agree that predjudice in any form is filtered down either through ignorance or indeed because of a disliske of any particular group. I consider myself a pragmatic and open individual free from racism or more relevent to my own community, sectarianism. However I have laughed at jokes and made comments that fall into both those brackets, so I know that in doing so I contribute to a racist and sectarian society. The good catholic "syndrome" has many similarities to some of the black man's life. The idea that he speaks differently and adhears to certain criteria in order to "fit" in resonates deeply with me. We in Ireland have no physical differences yet we are so divided, a division solely based on a superior feeling that one side is "better" in some way to the other. This is never spoken about but yet its a feeling each side harbour, be it the perpetrators (sometimes unknowing) or indeed the victims. Now im not saying this is a conscise act more of an ingrained feeling that manifested into the them and us scenario that we have today. I also understood the point "blaming" of the victim to change things as a means of defense and see it day and daily on the news. Things are certainly moving forward some days quicker than others but how can we change several life times of division over night? it simply cannot happen and this applies to all society we are less inclined to accept what was the "norm" 10 years ago never mind 50 years ago, but that does not mean we have achieved anythig as so much still needs to be done and by simply considering others more often these processes in my opinion will gather pace far more quickly. I would love to hear how that experiment last night could highlight some of our predjudices and help us now in an even more diverse society move forward togehter. Finally I have felt compelled to air my feelings twice in the last week after viewing these programs and actually feel more optimistic that as a people, socially and mentally we are starting to break these barriers down even in light of this recent rise in the far right. Issues that were never spoken of are being talked about by people who would never have dreamt such things take place. A sure sign that progress however slow is still progress. Peace and equality to all.
    Posted by niall maskey on 30/10/2009 12:27:03
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  24. Having watched 'How racist are you' last night I was confused as to where the evidence was that UK society is racist. I understood that the aim of the experiment was to create a scenario where white people, most of whom were fairly middle class and had no prior experiences of racism, were being subjected to racist abuse and 'indoctrination and eventually forced to conform. However, it was a controlled experiment and not real life and I do not see a similarity between the 2. References were constantly being made to 'the powers that be' and how they are responsible for the institutionalised racism in our society. Maybe 10-20 yrs ago. We've come a long way since then, and yes we still have a way to go but to effectively class all white people as racist just because they haven't experienced it towards them is wrong in my opinion. It was interesting to see that the experiment did not work as well in the UK as it did elsewhere, such as the US and South Africa, and perhaps goes to show how much further we have come in dealing with racism than other nations.
    Posted by Anon bobert on 30/10/2009 10:47:06
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  25. This article does not address the question in its title -"why we in the UK find it hard to label someone's behaviour 'racist', unless it is very obvious" - in a very direct way. I found both the programme and Funke Baffour's article more informative, illuminating, clear and to the point.
    Posted by yesi on 30/10/2009 08:59:30
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  26. Great analysis. However, it is disingenuous to position Jane Elliot as just arrived in the U.K. She has worked regularly in the UK for many years. Her EYE OPENER video attests to this.
    Posted by john Smith on 30/10/2009 02:03:51
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  27. What an amazingly good article, pretty much explains the "intricacies" of racism.
    Posted by Jeff on 30/10/2009 01:09:47
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  28. I first watched Ms Elliot on the Oprah Winfrey show a very long time ago and was so saddened by what I saw and could not get my head around it. I am now a mature mother of four, educated and educating my children. I am black british by birth only, and thats all except, as I was politely reminded by a white teacher (2003) that I cannot be anything different in England. My sons, who are both at University have been stopped so much by the police it is second nature to them, I have told them to be polite because of the level of ignorance and I have also reminded them that they are more educated than the officers but the officers have a right because they are white. I have suffered and am suffering racism everyday by familiar white people, did you know than white women will not use the washroom after a black women because of fear of infection? I now know that. I have hated 90% of my experience in this country and I have also educated all of my children to love all people but finish their education and get out of this country where they do not belong and are not wanted. On the other hand I have met some exceptions to the rule, some of the most kindest people I know in my life are white maybe 4 in total, when I cry, they cry and when I eat we share the same food from the same pot, they are my blood and my family. However, I have accepted one thing to be true, the system will never change, I'd like to think so but my parents thought so 45 years ago and said it would be better for us one day, it isn't. I love all people but only like a few, mostly people of colour as they accept me. I want us to come together on a humanitarian level, but one hand can't clap and so many hands are in a fist. I want a better life for my children and they cannot get it in England, I really wish they could. My parents died not seeing it and being saddened by that fact, I can't afford for my children to suffer what I did, I want them to smile more. What Ms Elliot did in the 1960's had to be done, but she should not have to be doing that now, what does that tell us as a nation? it tells us that we are determined to self destruct. After the histories we have created and documented for our children that were all about wars and genocide, what are we still doing? Our children deserve the best and we brought them into our sick system to continue in our destructive manner, maybe we should have just carried out a mass abortion and set them free. There has to be a change I won't see it and that saddens me because I love learning about people and cultures, I love blue eyes, grey eyes, black and brown eyes. I absolutely love white peoples spontaneous nature and black peoples roaring life, the two together make me cry with excitement, its just something beautiful to see, but the ugly side overshadows it all and everyday that I have to live this way, a piece of me dies, I wish I could fight the good fight and get us as a nation back on track but I have lost hope. So to the Ms Elliot's of the world I say keep fighting that fight and I will keep caring for those that want me to do so (I am a student nurse)regardless of race but because I am in love with people.
    Posted by Lisa Smith on 30/10/2009 00:57:45
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  29. As an Asian primary school teacher of ten years, living in Bristol , I have come across and been on the receiving end of a racist attitude by other members of staff! It is very subtle, to the point where I am unaware of it, except that the caucasian psychotherapist I was seeing, pointed it out. Ive always thought racism to be like that of the 1970's: overt, explicit "go home, you Paki!". But amongst the educated middle classes it is still there. There are very few non caucasion teachers. Only the multicultural schools are proactive in addressing this. I recall, a teaching friend complaining once, that she didn't like a certain school, because she couldn't pronounce the names of the children- as if it were their fault! As someone who is adopted within an English family, I find it useful to play the English card - by this I mean, adopt a state of mind. Sometimes, I can harbour thoughts akin to social snobbery and even, racism. I know that I need to work on this!!!!!We also give credence to European bilingual children. And yet, there are 500 different languages spoken in our primary schools. Do we every praise these children for their ability to pick up yet another language? I was aghast by the ignorance of the school teacher on tonights programme "The Event," confessing that she was surprised to see pink skin when a black child was scratched. I feel horrified at her inablity to reflect upon this, while claiming that she was not racist. She is in a position of power, passing on her belief system to the wider community, without challenging it. I remember reading a comment in the newspaper, about someone who lived during South Africa's Apartheid. That person claimed that they were not racist; that they had never said a negative word to a black person. And yet, every day they were witnessing acts of racism, and turning a blind eye. I do believe that many caucasian people cruise through life without being challenged or having to scratch the surface, until a crisis occurs. I do not mean this in a disparaging way. But I move amongst many caucasian people, due to my class, my interest in European history and culture and my profession. I have experienced challenges to my ethnicity since I was born, and I'm sure, that most non caucasian people have had to endure this, to some degree. Yes, there are many areas of discrimination within our society. But racism takes on a different flavour. And as a society, Britain needs to face up to its demons, as it has done with other aspects of life. Why not this one! William Wilberforce confronted his society in the 19th C. I feel that his fight for a change of attitude, still needs to continue. (Apologies for this ramble- I'll hop off my soap box now! Oops- how English! I'm apologising for being passionate about something!)
    Posted by mindy on 30/10/2009 00:42:20
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  30. I agree that racism is still around. Although it is more subtle in the UK, it is difficult to overcome. For example, there may be laws against discrimination, but it is very easy not to hire someone for a job because of their skin colour. I especially agree with Mrs. Jane Elliot's demonstration, I have seen several before, and if it would have been allowed, you could have gained from it. It not only about racism, it about the power gained and lost from either side, and how easy it would be to conform. But I think the British 2009 version on channel 4 has demonstrated how subtle it is in the UK. Certain people were in denial, choosing not to be open-minded about others situations and being ignorant to merge a more cruel form of discrimination along with with their form of "discrimination". I am not saying that they are not treated terribly, I simply stating it is to a lesser extent. And I found it hilarious and unsurprising that Elliot's demonstration would be subjected arguments against her being abusive, people not being able to overlook her behaviour for two hours when it is to help them grow, by showing what it is like to suffer a lifetime of abuse in such a small period, the feeling of discontent, insignificance, etc. I am extremely disappointed at the woman who ruined that final exercise, her arrogant and selfish attitude has destroyed a chance for others to grow. I thank Elliot for coming to the UK to attempt to demonstrate how easy it is to conform and apoligise for the lack of respect and understanding she received. I hope more open-minded individuals like myself can understand her point of view.
    Posted by Dar? on 30/10/2009 00:39:43
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  31. The programme shown tonight was extremely interesting and really highlighted just how uncomfortable society is with the issue of racism. Whilst Jane Elliot's intentions were good, I'm not sure that she achieved what she set out to do. Her hostile attitude immediately put people on the defensive even before learning intentions were even highlighted. Nobody wants to be called a racist, especially when they themselves think that they are very open to other cultures and feel that they personally would never show any form of racist behaviour towards others. But what society doesn't seem to realise is that as one of the brown eyed ladies had stated...sometimes things go over peoples heads and they don't always pick up on racist issues that can be picked up on by a coloured person. No-one can assume how another will interpret a comment. All the white members of the experiment very quickly tried to defend themselves by continually repeating points in which they felt discriminated because of their choice of hairstyle or their clothing and appearance. But they all seemed to fail to understand that that was only a fraction of the discrimination a coloured person may feel; And that they are in control of that appearance...but once your black, your black for ever. And a trip to the hairdressers or a clothes shop will never alter that fact. Some of the white members were obviously intimidated by the whole process, afterall no-one likes anybody to pick up on their flaws. And everyone is so desperate to be so politically correct that the thought of being labelled a "racist" is unbearable, and here is this lady who is standing up and accusing a whole group of people of being racist. No, not everyone is an out right racist but as Jane Elliot says there are levels of racism that people find acceptable. So long as your not in people's face with hateful comments and your not walking around with white pillow cases on your heads then the odd joke about asians being thick or jews being tight or blacks being druggies is acceptable! The person who shocked me the most in the whole programme is the intellect, who is teaching the future generations of this society. I could not believe the bigotted comments that she made...What happened to teaching children that no matter what our physical appearance, we are all the same underneath. Instead she is shocked by the revelation that underneath all that black skin, we can cut ourselves and reveil pink skin. Well honey I've got news for you...Guess what? Our blood is red in colour too!! We as a family were shocked by this because quite recently our FIVE years old daughter's FIVE years old white friend asked her what colour her bones were and we had a full blown conversation with this child explaining that we had white bones just like she did and that we had red blood and that inside our bodies all our body parts were exactly the same...Maybe our little "MRS" from the programme should come round and have a lesson from my five years old!! Overall a very interesting programme. What a shame it didn't fulfil it's intention...getting white people to empathise with what it feels like to be discriminated and stereotyped. To make them understand that as an asian and black person, we can't always easily walk into any situation or establishment because we have to think twice about how people are going to react towards us. But well done Channel 4, you tried to tackle another issue that certainly does need tackling!
    Posted by Syed on 30/10/2009 00:38:08
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  32. I was dismayed that the subjects in the blue group were in so much denial of how much racist discrimination and domination still exists in the UK. I sincerely hope that when they watch the show again that they can see how ignorant and foolish some of them came across. The most pertenant aspect of the experiment was just that. Some volunteers who did not wish to take part just left or sabotaged the experiment, in reality victims of racial disrimination cannot just walk away from real life situations. I am sure if Stephen Lawrence wanted to to exit the 'game' at any point he would have done, but obiously this is not possible!!
    Posted by jude on 30/10/2009 00:16:09
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  33. I have just finished watching the 'how racist are you?' programme on TV and couldn't believe how inappropriate it was. To claim that all "White" people are racist is itself a racist comment. The programme can only serve to anger people and let people feel that they are now justified in making sweeping statements about large groups of people based on their skin colour as this is exactly what the supposed experts do. The gentleman's story about how he couldn't pick up his daughter from school was, I thought, an obvious example of racism which I assumed she would pick up on at the end but it was never discussed. The gentleman had made the assumption that the parents at his daughter's school would judge him because they were 'middle class' and 'White'. As it turns out they never got a chance to do this because of his predjudices about them. I understand that this is a massively important topic which really needs to be discussed but are we really helping the situation by making it about 'our' treatment of 'them'? This kind of 'us' and 'them' rubbish only winds people up and causes divisions. Is it really that difficult just to consider every person as an individual? I blame whoever invented statistics!
    Posted by Grizzlyfletch on 29/10/2009 23:51:03
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  34. What a fantastic thought provoking programme. I whole heartedly agree with Jane Elliots method. The racism gene is planted before we are born, we go to school to be taught that all the powerful, important, relevant people in history where white, we never consider achievements from great historical figures who are not white. My family originate from India, they were part of a portuguese collony in Goa. My skin is white but my mmother came over to England with her mother and English father when she was a very young girl with brown skin and curly hair. My mother and her brother and two sisers were beaten and bullied for this. If I am with a group of friends and someone tells a racist joke, I say that I find it offensive. They look at me with confusion because my skin is white, when I tell them where my family is from, they still look with confusion, because my skin is white. I understand that there is racism in all different cultures but I am focusing, as Jane Elloit did, on the colour of you skin. If you can see the difference, there is an immediate fear of that difference. I am from Manchester but now live in Surrey and manage a homeless shelter where, I am sad to say, even those who are thrown together in hardship still show massive indications of ignorance in their actions and understanding. Sorry for babbling on but I will finish with saying that I really enjoyed the programme and am glad that a relevant but very discrete subject has been discussed on your channel. hank you. Emily Mascarenhas
    Posted by Emily Mascarenhas on 29/10/2009 23:30:25
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  35. your not going to get many people leaving comment on here because white people as a whole don't think there is anything wrong with the way things are unless somone calls somone a n****r to their face they don't see anything wrong i'm a plumber and a black man too but just ask yourself a question if your reading this and are white when your talking about a black person to one of your mates do you refer to them as this black guy or just this guy because in all my 31 years on this earth 99% of white people would refer to him as this black guy because they see the colour of the skin first not the person i hear racism everyday with out fail if i`m working round white people they may not say things to my face about black people but they do freely use the word paki and joe daki
    Posted by shaun on 29/10/2009 23:26:30
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  36. I watched this programme and was outraged with this woman - I was racially abused when I was 14 years of age and I am white - I am Irish and now nearly 60 years of age - so do not tell me this is just a colour thing - it more a case of people not understanding each other - let us not forget what happened in Germany Poland France and other countries many years ago - and it will of course continue - because no one will learn about hatred it will alway happen! This is the world we live in. And it will never change. This woman can travel the whole world and make as much money as she likes - but nothing will ever be any different!! Thats Life!
    Posted by Irene Pirnia on 29/10/2009 23:20:58
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  37. There were race riots in Birmingham in October 2005 between black and asian muslim youths. Why have no programmes been made about these events? Why are we always told it is only white people who are raceist? There are racists in every race, not just amongist white people
    Posted by Henry on 29/10/2009 23:17:57
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  38. I watched the programme just now and I have to say that I ended up feeling that some of the ‘white’ people had more support for their positions than some of the ideas the ‘black’ people espoused. I have seen real racism both in this country and elsewhere, including in the USA and I very much doubt that the kind of subtle %u201CServe the white people first%u201D thing goes on at all, in fact I would go further and say that it was far more likely to the usual situation of the ‘white’ people being much better known to whomever was serving them and nothing at all (directly at least; social divisions do exist, sadly and they do broadly correlate with ethnicity, of which skin colour is part) to do with skin colour.People are certainly prejudiced but my opinion is that their prejudice is better defined in terms of the people they know and trust and consider to be similar to them and those whom they are suspicious of and consider different and that this correlates much less well with questions of skin colour than it does with accents, if anything.
    Posted by Gaidheal on 29/10/2009 23:14:04
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