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27/06/2008

In the new series of Location Location Location, Phil Spencer and Kirstie Allsopp announced that they were going to be lobbying the government to make changes to Stamp Duty. As Kirstie said, 'I've been advising the Conservatives on some policies but this is bigger than party politics… it's people’s lives.' They're obviously serious, but what are their plans exactly? Here, they tell us...

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Phil and Kirstie: Phil & Kirstie's Stamp Duty Plans

Our Plan

First time buyers should not have to pay stamp duty land tax (SDLT) when the value of the purchase property is under £250,000.

Stamp duty land tax should be graduated for everyone else so that buyers generally pay one per cent on the first £125,000 to £250,000. Over this threshold, the three per cent would be charged only on the amount over £250,000 (rather than the full amount) and similarly at the four per cent threshold, buyers would be charged four per cent only on the amount over £500,000 (rather than on the full amount).

Latest Economy And Property Market News And Facts

Property Market Transactions Figures
Land Registry Deals, England And Wales*

* The number of properties sold in England and Wales fell by 34 per cent from 86,733 in February 2007 to 57,016 in February 2008.

* In the months November 2007 to February 2008, transaction volumes averaged 72,479 transactions per month. This is a decrease from the same period last year when sales volumes averaged 103,141 (they haven't given us a percentage decrease for this - we have worked it out to about 30 per cent).

*Released 30th May 2008

* Scottish figures aren't directly comparable as they use different months. Scotland's land registry figures say transactions are down 16.1 per cent if you compare January to March 2007 (32,791 transactions) with Janurary to March 2008 (27,051 transactions).

* We are awaiting Ireland figures.

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Current Average Property Prices

* The latest average house price in England and Wales for April is £183,626 (Land Registry).

* The latest average house price in Scotland is £150,257 (quarterly figure from January to March 2008) (Scottish Land Registry).

* We don't have Northern Ireland.

* House prices fell 2.5 per cent in May 2008.**

* House prices have fallen 4.4 per cent since last year - the biggest annual fall in house prices since December 1992.**

* House prices are 4.4 per cent lower than last year but remain five per cent higher than two years ago.**

** Released 29th May 2008, according to the Nationwide, for the UK

Mortgages
* Mortgage approvals for house purchases have weakened to historically low levels and look set to soften further in the next few months. Overall, we expect the number of mortgage approvals for house purchases and the number of property sales to be around 35 per cent lower than last year.*

* We now expect house prices to be about seven per cent lower in the fourth quarter of this year compared with the fourth quarter of 2007.*

* Source: Council Of Mortgage Lenders (May 2008)

* According to the Bank of England in April 2008, just 58,000 new mortgages for house purchases were approved, the lowest figure since the bank began reporting the figures in 1993 (We are waiting for confirmation on this).

General Opinion Varies

* However, some more pessimistic experts predict a 25 to 30 per cent fall in house prices if things carry on like this.

* According to Legal and General we could be heading towards a recession - does not cite property market but just general economy.

* James Carrick, Investment Strategist at Legal & General Investment Management flagged the possibility of a UK recession. 'While the Bank of England anticipates below-trend growth in 2008 and a recovery in 2009, our recession predictor is suggesting concern',*

* Released 21st May

Effects On Other Industries

General
There are many headlines of knock-on effects to other linked industries: housebuilders, estate agents, removal men, etc of the property market slowdown.

Estate Agents
* There have been reports of many estate agents going out of business and figures vary. We have spoken to the public relations office for one estate agent Reeds Rains (part of Humberts) who admits 15 out of 147 branch closures - there are reports of many more.

* The figures of 150 per week and thousands of branches closing, which appear everywhere, can't be substantiated from their sources.

New House Builds

* New house builds are down almost a quarter since last year, and the lowest figure since 1996 (fact checked from National House Building Council).

Other Organisations Who Have Spoken Out Or Campaigned Against SDLT

Council of Mortgage Lenders (CML)
Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors
National Association of Estate Agents
Jon Charcol (brokers have petition on their site)
Halifax
Smartmoves
New Homes Marketing Board

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  1. Hi Gez This might well be the case - I suggest you speak to your estate agent for ideas - I've heard (but don't quote me) that some people are only getting that part of their HIPs sorted once they've got interest/an offer. Not strictly the right thing to do, but see what your agent says...
    Posted by Lucy 4Homes Ed on 18/08/2008 12:37:40
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  2. Shocked, fed up with all the speculation as to what will or won't happen, just wanting to hear some sensible and reasonable decisions made, 'dont we all'. Our property has been on the market for over a year now, we are currently sorting out a Home Information pack (HIP's) also we are aware of property in our area still on the market for the past 18 months. My concern 'question' is the current HIP's states the energy efficiency test/cert on your property only last's for 12 months meaning we will have to pay again and again depending on the time it takes to sell our property, please tell me that this is not the case. ??
    Posted by gez on 16/08/2008 00:00:45
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  3. I sent this to a local rag I know is monoitored by No 10, 2/8/08. Tax revenue from the housing market has fallen to record low levels as if we are on strike from paying it. The clear way to make a difference and lift tax revenue is to immediately cut Stamp Duty Land Tax rates across the board to 1%. Get rid of the artificial price ceiling structures it dictates (at ?250,000 and others) that are preventing home improvement schedules and putting builders and decorators out of work. Let the housing market free so that we can invest, take pride, upgrade and be kind to our environment. Otherwise tax revenues, employment, and spirits will continue to fall. Result is panic and chaos.
    Posted by Sue Doughty on 09/08/2008 13:20:42
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  4. Whilst I agree that a review of stamp duty is in order & agree with your proposals, as a first time buyer the fact i may have to pay out a few thousand pounds in tax is the absolute least of my worries - how about the obscene amount of debt I'll be forced to take on to buy my own home... I'm truly sorry for the people who have been taken in by the banks waving 125% mortgages at them and who are now in real danger of losing their homes, however house prices need to drop back down to reasonable levels of affordability. The banks have themselves to blame for the current uproar, and the government are simply guilty of nothing more than sitting back & watching it happen. The government would gain more public support if the banks were made to re-negotiate mortgage tems with struggling customers, rather than repossessing homes. I was v impressed to read that Barratts were at least trying to work out a solution to their problems - in effect by renting out their currently empty homes.
    Posted by z2910 on 06/08/2008 21:16:16
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  5. The problem with the housing market is not the SDLT but that house prices are inflated way beyond the ability of people on ordinary wages to afford them. The sooner house prices falls to affordable levels the sooner the market will get going again. If hmg has money to throw at this problem, it would be better spent encouraging savings so that a) FTBs could build up a deposit and b) banks & Building Societies have more funds to lend.
    Posted by trevor b on 06/08/2008 19:57:09
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  6. Dear kirsty and phil. Now you have first time buyers waiting or the 'removal' of stamp duty. This means the market will now dive catastrophically. Further more anyone who has recently bought a house has been punished 4%. Are you sure your thinking straight?
    Posted by Hans Stolte on 06/08/2008 18:36:00
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  7. At the rate house prices are falling, there won't be any houses worth 250k by the end of the year anyway. FTB homes definately won't cost 250k so this stamp duty campaign is a complete waste of time. In fact if stamp duty is reduced I'll eat my hat.
    Posted by Paddy on 06/08/2008 17:24:59
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  8. Oh for goodness sake - just let the market correct without interference. When prices have fallen to what people can genuinely afford, then my family may possibly be able to afford a decent place to live - it's our lives too Kirsty and Phil .... stop trying to keep the bubble inflated.
    Posted by Chris on 06/08/2008 16:29:24
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  9. Isn't the problem actually the ridiculous prices (in comparison to wages)that house prices have reached. When they have been going up in price (not value) by over ten percent a year for around 15 years, complaining about stamp duty which is way less than this is not going to solve anything. What is required is for the free markets to allow the prices to correct - which is happening now.
    Posted by Colin on 06/08/2008 16:24:01
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  10. Do Phil and Kirsty really believe th problem is stamp duty. The market is in a mess because of adsurd valuations and ramping. Let it correct to normal levels without artifical short term boosts. Why do they want to encourage FTB's to take on a life time of debt.
    Posted by david barker on 06/08/2008 15:19:42
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  11. Can you people please please please stop involving yourselves in the housing market. Let it correct, so people can afford houses again. It is simple - just do nothing and in 2 years it will be 30% less and people can afford to buy a house again. You have already brought untold misery to millions from hyping up the market in the last 10 years. Please leave it alone, and let people be able to afford a house again. This is about peoples lives the very homes they live in and you are ruining them by helping rich speculators in BTL - please STOP doing it
    Posted by James on 06/08/2008 14:11:08
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  12. This proposed "solution" to the housing crisis is one of the silliest ideas to come out of this episode. It would be no more than tinkering and interfering with the free market and would ultimately achieve nothing positive and would most likely make the situation worse. The price of UK housing is still grossly inflated and needs to be corrected which the market is now doing. It is a fact of life that you cannot buck the market. The banks and other institutions were crassly stupid in lending large multiples of income which served only to inflate the bubble further and they can expect to lose huge amounts of money as borrowers default. The recession has hardly begun and when it does we can expect to see the price of housing fall by around 65% from its peak in 2007 until an average of three times salary is reached. There may be talk now of inflation but the coming problem will be a deflationary spiral comparable to that seen in Japan some time ago when its circumstances were very like the UK today. Playing with Stamp Duty will only encourage prospective buyers to hold off for longer which will in turn exacerbate the collapse. Contrary to media hype there is a large surplus of housing in the UK and the stock will increase as more comes on to the market as vendors who are in denial hope to realise their now non-existent gains.
    Posted by Ian on 06/08/2008 14:04:52
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  13. A predicted fall of 25% or more is NOT pessimism, its OPTIMISM. If it happens, it means that a vital commodity has just got lots CHEAPER! Of course, its bad news for those (like KIRSTY ALLSOP) who own lots of INVESTMENT properties. But for most people a home is just somewhere to live. Indeed, this whole bubble has partly been caused by people thinking of housing as a financial vehicle. Why oh why is the Govt entertaining the veiws of people with a vested interest in re-inflating the bubble?? Are lots of minsters also buy-to-let investots?? I think we should be told...
    Posted by M Johnson on 06/08/2008 13:58:00
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  14. Removing or changing stamp duty at the current time will not help the property market. It will move a very small number of people who already have savings into the bracket of deposit size they now need to get a mortgage. And of those people, most will not buy because the market is collapsing and they will lose money. They will wait until normal Loan To Value ratios are achieved - this is what banks are now lending, after they have been burnt by their own massive gobal debt creation scheme ('liquidity' or 'cheap money' are misnomers to catch you out - it is debt, as many people are finding out as their houses are reposessed). When will Phil & Kirsty - and the conservatives - and labour - realise that fast rising property prices DO NOT help most people! They give the illusion of wealth to individuals, and also the country - that wealth is debt. First time buyers and homeowners are not aided by these price increases - speculators and investors are because they own more than one property and can sell at a profit without leaving their home. The market needs to correct and is doing so. If the conservatives - and Phil and Kirsty - learnt some basic macroeconomics they might look a lot better in debate aginst the labour government who are clueless!
    Posted by Chris on 06/08/2008 13:47:05
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  15. Whilst there is a case for reform of stamp duty (charging the marginal rate on the full price does distort prices around the three bands of 125k, 250k and 500k), to suggest that reform would (or should) get the housing market moving and help first time buyers is a contradiction. House prices are currently falling at one to two percent every month, and this looks set to continue for the next couple of years. Removing the 1% rate of stamp duty is therefore equivalent to 2 or 3 weeks of house price falls. This is hardly going to get the market moving! There are no shortage of mortgages for those borrowing three times income with a good deposit. Don't try and buck the market. Let house prices fall to affordable levels, and sensible home purchases will be available to first time buyers.
    Posted by Jason M on 06/08/2008 13:44:46
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